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rthstewart ([personal profile] rthstewart) wrote2012-01-15 05:10 pm

the shadow the original content creator casts

So, I was going to post something exploring [livejournal.com profile] raykel's discussion earlier about adults playing with toys that are really intended for children. But before we do that, [livejournal.com profile] knitress wrote the following:

As someone who just stumbled into this, the whole ur doing it wrong thing seems very parallel to some of the debates in Lewis scholarship/'scholarship'/worship. Joy Gresham, Mrs. Moore, Lewis' lifelong friend Arthur Greeves.
I mean, if you're going to go on at huge length about what the original author would have wanted, shouldn't you, y'know, learn something about his actual life?


[livejournal.com profile] lady_songsmith and [livejournal.com profile] andi_horton have both said, oh yes, please share your reading list!

And so [livejournal.com profile] knitress has said she will post her reading list. This is an interesting exercise in a couple of respects.
  • There are a lot of people in the Narnia fandom who assert that adhering to Lewis' intent is very important, so illuminating what Lewis did intend and separating that from what others think he intended is interesting. I know some of you know far more about Lewis' life and art than I do, so do share, if you are so inclined.
  • Stepping back a few meters, some folks really like this sort of exercise at the more philosophical level -- who if anyone has the right to interpret something once it is freed into the wilds. Assuming we do understand the author and what he or she intended, what modicum of respect is owed the original creator? Or his or her designee or progeny? Gresham named Ramandu's Daughter Liliandil for the DT film. Rowling asked once that people not include underage sexual content in HP fic? Does any of that mean anything? Should it?
  • Last, there is the frustration all authors feel when the reader doesn't get what you intended. Sometimes it's a flaw in the writing; sometimes though it probably doesn't matter how clear you are, right? The reader is going to take what the reader is going to take.

In response to the above, divining authorial intent isn't something I usually worry about. I take a plain language view to borrow from a canon of statutory construction -- if it's there on the page, literally or thematically, it's fair game.  I'm more interested in exploring what I and others think about their work, and the community that develops around that exploration then I am in understanding more of what the author thought about his or her work. People pull more than I intended out of my work all the time and frequently I have no greater intent than "Shiny! let's try that!" and "Gosh I love that line. Let me build 10,000 words to include it." Or, "fandom poke. poke. poke."

Admittedly, TSG Peter and I both share extreme ineptitude in the areas of philosophy, theology, and languages. Being a shallow sort, I do not usually ask the big questions. (Though when I told Clio that, she said that I may assert the absence of a rear view mirror and claim inability to think big thoughts but that's because I pour my philosophical musings into fic.)  I decline to speculate as that would call for introspection.
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[personal profile] edenfalling 2012-01-17 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
That is really weird. I think I escape that myself because I basically do not write sex (not from any moral objections; it's just about as far from my forte as humanly imaginable) and thus the elements in my stories where I disagree with Lewis do not stand out as dramatically. Hmm. Now I kind of want to write a bunch of Narnians in an extramarital polyamorous sexual relationship, just for shock value. *sigh*

And yeah, like [livejournal.com profile] lady_songsmith said, you probably hit more problems than people like, oh, [livejournal.com profile] bedlamsbard would, if she posted on ff.net, because your stories do trend a lot closer to book canon and so the parts where you don't conform to a rigid, straitlaced view of Saint Lewis's Incomparably Pure Intentions (TM) come as an unwelcome surprise instead of as a confirmation of a prior bad opinion. The latter tends to make a person feel more secure in her/his worldview, but the former is an unpleasant jolt and may lead to lashing out.

Alas, speculation about potential motives is cold comfort to the person on the receiving end of said lashing out. Words DO hurt, after all. *deeper sigh*
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[identity profile] rthstewart.livejournal.com 2012-01-18 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you and I'll try to be quieter about my whinging next time as I seem to have hijacked my own thread.
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[personal profile] lady_songsmith 2012-01-18 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
*ahem*

there is no thread jacking here. Digressions? Non sequiturs? teal;deer? No problem.
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[personal profile] edenfalling 2012-01-18 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
+1 *hugs*