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rthstewart ([personal profile] rthstewart) wrote2010-04-11 09:39 am

Yes, but how is she at maths?

Ahhh, fanon.  It contributes so many things to our understanding of characters and worldbulding.  With Narnia fanon, we now believe that Edmund is not a morning person, that Peter has intense an emotional bond with his brother and a chip on his shoulder upon returning after LWW, and that leaving Caspian is the reason for Susan's apostasy.

Our collective contribution?  Edmund has a kink for women who are good at maths.  I have to say it was [livejournal.com profile] intrikate88  who noted that in light of my own worldbuilding Edmund would have probably had an interesting time in Spare Oom accounting classes.  The latest contribution is a commentfic started in [livejournal.com profile] metonomia 's LJ about Isamene, the fabulous squinty and freckled daughter of the Duke of Galma' in [livejournal.com profile] ilysia_039  's Singing Paeans to the Stars

"Why, I take a particular pride in my accounts, King Edmund."

[identity profile] ilysia-039.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
You do realize, of course, that we have created a monster?
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[identity profile] rthstewart.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes. They suck your brain and time and are so much fun until they sort of whither away and die. We are in NFFR chat now discussing what might be in the inventory, including flats of spun cotton, honey, silks, and sheepskins. I'm afraid that to Metonomia last night I suggested that in the AU of the AU, Lucy and Caspian sail off to World's End, come back married and in the meantime Edmund and Isamene stay on Galma and rediscover Beltane, Samhain, and other Narnnian fertility celebrations.

[identity profile] ilysia-039.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
No! No, back!

*wards off fic with holy water and a copy of Voyage of the Dawn Treader*

*struggles valiantly*

*is defeated*

My poor, poor brain...

[identity profile] animus-wyrmis.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
LOLZ. I have basically ignored lots of fanon because um a) Lucy is queer b) Susan/Lune forever! c) Susan is my spymaster, not Edmund d) angry Peter what angry Peter e) Caspian SUsan WHAT f) boys mostly bore me.

(That said, a lot of my stuff is pretty steeped in fanon. But not those parts! I feel Ed is totes an early riser.)
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[identity profile] rthstewart.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Susan is my spymaster, not Edmund
Ahh, well, I'm over 130,000 words on the subject of Susan as falling in with the British spy ring of wartime Washington in 1942. In this private 'verse, it was a shared responsibility, Susan and Edmund as the "concert of minds," she the Rat to his Crow (which makes a lot more sense once you've read it). Rat and Crow is their network, their private cipher, and their principal agents. Ahem, right. Hope all is treating you well and LOVED the Mary Poppin xover. LOVED it.

[identity profile] animus-wyrmis.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
<33333 you have no idea how much I am looking forward to reading that this summer.

I like that! I tend to see Edmund being much more--idk, just? idealistic isn't the right word. Gentlemanly maybe. Not spying at any rate.

<333!

[identity profile] priscipixie.livejournal.com 2010-04-13 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you read Lirenel's fic on The Black Spider? Very interesting in the light of fanon conventions on Narnia's spymaster...
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[identity profile] rthstewart.livejournal.com 2010-04-13 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I have, and reviewed it. It was an interesting AU take on things. So much so that it, and a few other works, are prompting me to, eventually, get to Black, White, and the Gray In Between. For all that I discuss these issues extensively, I have not yet actually dealt with betrayal, torture, assassination, and the death penalty in Narnia. Medieval practices aside, I've got some pretty strong views on the subject. I have been dancing around it -- you see echoes of the discussion in Edmund's lament for the Traitor in the recent chapter of TQSiT. It will make an appearance again in TQSiT, Chapter 20, still being written. It is very important to TSG, Part 3. However, I have not clearly articulated the Narnian position on these matters in a story and I may need to write Black, White, Gray before I tackle Part 3. The whole business of something being "wrong" at the end The Palace Guard -- there is pretty obviously a spy -- and the Pevensies familiarity with a "mole" in TQSiT are the background to this story to be written.

[identity profile] priscipixie.livejournal.com 2010-04-13 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's an even more interesting fic if you are exploring the issues of traitors and spies: Mosin's fic titled Consequences. (available here: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1586602/Mosin) It's an unfinished fic, but raises intriguing issues and dilemmas as Edmund is faced with a traitor...Have you read it yet?

[identity profile] keeperofqkeys.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
As much as I loved the movies, they did terrible things for the fandom. Prince Caspian kind of destroyed Peter's character, and it makes me so angry every time I think about it... And of course, the whole Suspian thing, which upon re-watching the movie was totally not anything except a brief kiss and some harmless flirting. Certainly not any sort of Epic Romance that would leave her crushed and losing faith.

And that was my favorite book in the series too :-(.
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[identity profile] rthstewart.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
After what happened to Faramir in Lord of the Rings, Ron in Harry Potter, and so many other adaptations, I tend to just assume films are compensated fan-made fiction. (And I liked an awful lot of LOTR) I'm much happier thinking of it that way. Films always give fandom bursts of energy, and I'm glad of that infusion, even if does means lots of tweens and teens writing about the HAWT actors.

[identity profile] keeperofqkeys.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I think what irritated me the most though was that they did such a great job adapting LWW, and then they went and massacred Peter's character in PC. Watching the movie again recently, on a whole, it was a good movie, but that was the one unforgivable thing for me.

Ron got a lot of crap in the books too. I think Neville really got shafted the most in the movies.

LotR... I never had as many problems with the adaptation as many people did. Probably because I didn't read the books until after I'd seen Fellowship, so I kind of had some preconceived notions going on, I guess.

I think it should be a prerequisite for directors, producers, and screenwriters of novel adaptations to be hardcore fans. I think it would result in a lot more faithful adaptations.
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[identity profile] rthstewart.livejournal.com 2010-04-13 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
They can be fans and still not get it right, alas. They can have the author collaborate on or review the script, and not get it right. I'm much happier just thinking of film adaptations as being compensated, AU fan fic.